7.62x54R Spam Cans in stock
 

Get em while you can.

Bulgarian 440 rd Tins


http://www.classicarms.us/

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I made the mistake of ordering some of this before checking the shipping cost. Being on the West Coast, J&G Sales could ship a spam tin to me for almost $30.00 less! Live and learn. It'll be interesting to see how it is packaged. It seems the most important thing is to get them without the cans being all dented or worse yet, with HOLES in them!

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Thanks TA!
I have been buying all of this I can get my grimy hands on

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Yeah I was gonna say J&G is much cheaper than that....in fact I have some more OTW.

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Don't forget AIM-Surplus..........great guys to deal with. :ok:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/7_62x54R.html

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Thanks again TA!!!!

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Good luck with that. I've never gotten classicarms to confirm shipping amounts prior to ordering. They also do not respond to emails concerning the utter brokenness of their online order system. They are in my state so shipping is minimal and quick and they are reliable but their level of communication is complete BS.

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I know exactly how you feel! I faxed my order in after hours one evening. I never received an email confirmation. I finally called in and spoke to someone who gave me the shipping cost. I can see that the funds have been withdrawn from my bank, but I still have not received any kind of confirmation at all. I know that they are extremely busy, but it would be nice to get a tracking number, so I can be here to sign for the package when it arrives, which is required! My mistake for not dealing with a supplier which is closer to me, to avoid the costly shipping charges.

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Ummm, I didn't see anything about signing for the shipment and as you guys are saying, I didn't see any shipping charges or even a confirmation of purchase so I hope everything works out....:36_1_63:

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I find it unacceptable that the online ordering has your zip but will not calculate shipping on your order until you have already provided payment info. Emails pointing out this issue are roundly ignored.

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I believe by law, all ammunition shipments must be signed for. That's why they ask for your I.D. You must state that you are of legal age to purchase.

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You have a link where you bought your Romanian PSL from
thinking about buying one from J&G Sales

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I will look at getting one from J&G sales they are top notch bought 2 rifles from them in the past and had them in a week.



heres a link for more 7.62x54R

http://wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|830|853

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If anyone is looking for 7N1 sniper ammo, theres an auction for a spam can up on gunbroker right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=125587471

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Hotness... wish I could afford one. wow.

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Yeah, that PSL is precisely $100 higher today than it was on classicarms a week ago.

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No sig required in my state, in fact I arrived home today to find a box of 7.62x39 (THANKS AGAIN TA!!!) sitting on my porch.


I received a confirmation email from Classic Arms showing the price I paid with nothing showing for a shipping charge for UPS Ground. So far so good!

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Must be a California thing (figures!). I'm still waiting for my email confirmation.

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That single spam can is up to $254 right now, and there's still 2 1/2 days left to go on the auction.

OUCH!

About 3 years ago, I paid $170 for a case of 7N1 (2 spam cans), delivered.

Looks like the price has nearly tripled.

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No idea, I was just passing on an observance. I was interested in the PSL on CA's site but didn't have the $650 at the time. I certainly don't have $750 for the same rifle now.
Good luck in your search.

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ya, I didn't expect it to soar that high, still has 2 days left. crazy.

For my money these are about the next best thing currently available, made at the same plant as 7n1 too. http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...2x54r-fmj-ammo

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I was eyeballing a ROMAK-3 PSL just today, I got my Mosin Nagants today, she is a 1933 going to take her out to the pasture tomorrow and see what I can do with iron sights at 100 and 200 m, then float the barrel and work the trigger a bit.
I know what you are you are talking about "I see you coming in the distance"
My dad had a saying when some one would make the comment "see you later"
"Dad would always say not if I see you first!"

I look forward to you posting a thread on your PSL

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Who here owns a PSL?

How is the quality? I hear reports from 'cheap' to 'great'.

Thin gauge or nice thick solid construction? Reliable? Solid?

Honestly. How well built are they?

I'm looking at one but I wonder because of the mixed reports I've seen. But wonder if that is just Chevy vs. Ford debate nonsense.

I like the idea of a semi auto rifle that can fire 7.62x54. But I don't want an unreliable POS. My Mosin may be slow but I can count on it firing 99.999999% of the time. hehe

Talk to me!

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This is my line of thinking, I could be off base, but...
I think the PSL is a squad based sniper (or sharp shooter as I like to call it) where as the Mosnin Nagant is the ol'e man vs man rifle.
Imagine you are on a ridge and looking for as many targets as possible (PSL) you are stationary and going to stay in your location until the job is done or their counter sniper locates you and puts a round in your brain pan(OUCH). Or you are looking for the person in charge of your oppressor and plan on putting a nice FMJ 762x54R in his lovely little brain pan and moving to an other location to take out his replacement(bolt action Nagants).
Here is where I think keep it simple comes in.
800 for a PSL or 400 for a nice scoped Nagants and 1600 rounds of ammo, and simple easy to clean and operate mechanics, or 100 for an iron sight good to 250 yards Nagant and 3000 rounds of ammo. (or put on a scout scope with mounts for 150 bucks extra)
How long does it take you to pull the bolt back and push in a fresh round while you drift on to a new location?
Have you ever had your rifle to your shoulder and pulled the trigger to have a mis fire and pull the bolt back just so find that your last shot did not eject?
yea it hung up because I have so many rounds through this mother today and no I have not had time to clean her...
I think I am going to pass on the ROMAK-3 PSL and get damed precise with my Mosin Nagant in iron sights, then invest in the original type scope mount and scope so I have the ever loving redundancy of iron sights and scope.
My math and reasoning may be way off here, but this is my general line of thinking, and do you have a squad to support? I don't it is me and a few damed fine shooters. who just put in their RQ for their own Nagant tonight.

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I think my point of concern is from the rifles being made and used overseas with one receiver but those receivers not being legal for US import.

The ATF or some fed. agency doesn't like the stock receivers as they can be re-converted back full-auto so they make PSL and other rifles get new non-auto convertible receivers prior to import.

Is that correct? or am I totally mixing up facts in my jumbled memory?

How good are these 'made for US import market' receivers? Or are they cheap afterthoughts?

I do really like the concept... But I really want to use one before I drop $800.00 - $900.00.

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Received an ammotogo can today. No holes, no rust, no dents. I'm going to trust it and not open it.

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I like semi auto, but find that I for target practicing I am a lot more accurate with single shot or bolt action anything.
In WWII the GI was told to make every shot count, the "police actions" following the GI was told to throw the lead, they will make more.
With the current price f ammo and how hard it is to find we may want to go back to the make every shot count plan.
A semi auto can do one shot and take your time and then take the next, the big plus I see is you do not have to re acquire your target after reloading a shell into your chamber like you so with a bolt action.
I have heard some of the barrels do not like rapid fire, after a few mags of 5 shot through them they heat up and loose accuracy. I do not know this for sure to be true.

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5 rounds is enough to heat it up considerably. I cannot speak for loss of accuracy, though.

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Igotyour6 I was looking around on the net and found this that supports what you have said in your post. Thought it was interesting.

http://usmcronbo.tripod.com/id98.htm

Communist Sniper Rifles
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Description:
The Sniper Rifle Dragunov (SVD) is a gas-operated, semiautomatic weapon. It fires the Soviet 7.62 x 54R cartridge and uses a detachable 10-round box magazine. Its overall length is 1,225 millimeters, and its empty weight is 4.3 kilograms. (Its loaded weight with bayonet is 4.78 kilograms.) Its bolt mechanism and gas recovery system are similar to those of the AK and AKM; but, because of the difference in cartridges used, parts are not interchangeable with the assault rifles. The most distinguishing feature of the SVD are the open butt stock, which has a cheek pad for ease in sighting, and telescopic sight mounter over the receiver. It has a combination flash supressor/compensator. It may mount the standard AKM bayonet. The Soviets issue it with four magazines, a cleaning kit, and an extra battery and lamp for the telescopic sight.
Capabilities:
The SVD fires approximately 30 rounds per minute in the semiautomatic mode. It has a maximum effective range of 1,300 meters with the 4-power telescope or 800 meters without it. The PSO-1 optical sight has a 6-degree field of view. It contains an integral, infrared detection aid and an illuminated range finder reticle. Thus, the SVD is effective in daylight against point targets or at night against active infrared emitters, such as night driving aids and weapon sights. It can fire light ball, heavy ball, steel core, tracer and anti-tank incendiary ammunition.
Limitations:
The SVD can fire only light and heavy ball-type ammunition with accuracy. Even though it is equipped with a bayonet, the SVD is not an ideal weapon for close combat because it can fire only in the semiautomatic mode. Its weight and length also limit its maneuverability. The 7.62 x 54-mm rimmed cartridge of the SVD is not interchangeable with the 7.62 x 39-mm rimless round of the AKM.
Remarks:
The Soviets developed the SVD in 1965. It entered service in 1967 and is the standard Soviet sniper weapon. One squad in each motorized rifle platoon has an SVD; selected riflemen receive regular, centralized sniper training on it. Largely due to its open buttstock, the SVD is lighter than older sniper rifles.


Mosin-Nagent M91/30 sniper-rifle with 3.5 power PU telescopic sight


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This is one of the sniper rifles used by the North Koreans from the beginning, and Chinese Communists about a year later, during the Korean War.


An adaptation of the basic Soviet infantry rifle, a turned-down bolt handle was used to clear the sight. Communist snipers were trained by Soviet advisors, who were reputed to try their hand at killing American troops whenever the opportunity offered.


The rifle M1891/30 is about the same length as the M1891 Dragoon, but with many improvements. Used in large numbers by the Soviets early in WWII, it was replaced by the carbine M1944 as the standard Soviet infantry shoulder weapon at the end of WWII.


The sniper rifle M1891/30 is basically the M1891/30 adapted for use with a telescope. The telescopes were somewhat similar to those used on US hunting rifles. Both the rifle and the sniper rifle were standard issue in some Soviet satellite armies into the 1970s.


"During the Winter War of '39-'40 the Russians learned from the Finns through bitter experience the value of snipers. Simo H�yh�, a farmer, is credited with the killing of over 500 Russian soldiers in fifteen weeks with his Model 1928 Mosin-Nagant rifle. As a result, the Russians began to place more emphasis on their sniper training programme.


Production of the 1891/30 sniper rifles began in 1937 and ended in 1963 when the 1891/30 sniper rifle was replaced by the Dragunov sniper rifle. Sniper rifles were chosen for accuracy from the production lines, had the bolt turned down, and were fitted with a telescopic sights. Apart from these differences, they were the standard 1891/30 rifle. Two types of scope were used, the earlier 4 power P.E. scope and the compact 3.5 power P.U. scope. The best of the Russian snipers preferred the 1891/30 to the SVT40, which was also issued in a snipers model, because they were more reliable and the action made practically no noise."

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Be aware that this ammo was designed for the Dragunovs. Test firings from Mosin-Nagants show it to be accurate, but nothing special.

Is Gun Broker down?

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Yes, there have been a couple recalls of the PSL and Yugo M76 rifles, due to "extra holes" in the receiver (either left in place or welded over). You know that good ol' BATF mantra "once a machine gun, always a machine gun."

Hopefully that won't happen again, but with the BAT-Boyz, you never know.

I like my MN91/30 PU sniper rifles, although the scope position (high above the bore & to the left) takes a "chin weld" to shoot. I've got a removable cheek pad that I use when shooting the PU sniper or the Swede M41b sniper rifles. That way, you avoid a lot of the parallax error otherwise caused by changes in sight picture/head position.

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here is a link which has a little information http://www.dragunov.net/faq.htm

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You had some salt with you, right? At least a grain?

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You mean in the PSL, right? Not the Mosins....

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Right.


T

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Yeah

But when you think about it ............all of that older stuff has the same grain content.

There must be a reason.

If he was trying to push some particular ammo my spidey senses would have been blazzing but these guys have done me a solid everytime I have gone there .

He wouldnt jerk me around. There was nothing to gain for him.

T

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I missed the PSL reference, too. Folks at 765X54r.net are pushing thousands of rounds of larger grain lead through their Mosins with no complaints. I can't say anything for a PSL.

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Yes, the PSL will probably shoot heavy ball just fine (for a while), but you'll batter the rifle to death in the process. If you Google "romanian psl heavy ball", you'll see plenty of links on this subject.

The barrel won't be harmed, but apparently the receiver and other parts can be damaged.

When you think about it, there are other rifles "out there" with ammo restrictions. If you shoot a M1 Garand with slow powder & heavy bullets, you'll bend the op rod (shutting down your rifle). If you shoot a Hakim rifle with Turk 8mm surplus (slow burning powder), you're basically pulling the pin on a grenade held close to your face. Ouch!

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TA, I just got back from the first 40 rounds through my 1933 Mosin Nagant.
I walked it off to be 110 yards, the range finder said 119 yards +- 1 yard.
first 20 rounds were to the left shooting with one eye closed, second twenty were both eyes open and I got groups that were with in 1.5 inches and just a tiny bit low.
the kick is not at all what I was expecting, it really is not much more than my M1 Garand. I can see if you did not want to hold it tight against your shoulder it would be more substantial, but hardly anything to worry about.
the trigger is defiantly heavy and the barrel needs to be floated in the stock, and more cosmoline needs to be cleaned from the furniture, I think I will do some front sight work to make it just a bit more tapered at the top so it is not covering up so much of my target.
I think I will order one of these custom triggers http://www.huberconcepts.com/Mosin-N...eplacement.htm A fun gun to shoot and with some minor tweaking who knows.
Bolt worked nice, not hanging up or any trouble with ejecting shells, however on 3 out of 40 shells I did notice a slight crack in the shell after firing, (neck of the shell) I will have to investigate this, but think it could be the surplus ammo.
One thing I did like it you can eject shells and not have them land so far away. I like to just eject into my hand then drop in my pocket. I prefer not to have to hunt for all of my spent ammo.

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If you Google "PSL mag", that will come up with some hits, all of which may no longer be valid. PSL mags didn't find anything, but if you search for "Romak mags", Centerfire Systems has them for about $25 a pop:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/dramag1.aspx

You would need to verify with Centerfire that they will also work in a PSL rifle - I dunno.

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http://www.classicarms.us/
try these cats...I did read some place one time that you will need to get PLS magazines with the X on them as indicated on the one in this link, all other magazines will not work in this rifle.

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Another source for Romak mags is:

http://www.copesdistributing.net/adv...=romak&x=0&y=0

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Ammunition To Go has some 7.62x54r but they say they're 4-5 days behind on orders...


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...e-ammo-762x54r

And....

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...rst-rifle-ammo

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Ha.....everyone else is 4-5 weeks...

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Did anybody else check out the ending price on that auction?

$385 for a single spam can of 7n1 sniper ammo, plus shipping. About 4-5x what I paid a few years ago.

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Didnt someone say to wary of Bulgarian(or Armenian) ammo??? I think it was on another thread where someone got a bad case of 7.62 and I posed this question.

Anybody know???

T

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Some Albanian 7.62x54R has varying rim thicknesses & folded/mangled case mouths. It may work just fine in Russian rifles, but can cause some hassles in tightly chambered Finnish MN rifles.

Also...combining replies in a single post, 7n1 ammo was an increased accuracy sniper load developed for the 7.62x54R Dragunov rifle. Accuracy is said to be so-so in a Mosin Nagant, however. I guess it depends on the rifle.

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:banghead: Price is going up boys!

$125

I believe these were $109 last week. :banghead:


http://www.centerfiresystems.com/762...tam54r440.aspx

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It's simple - I just make up believable answers loosely based on rumors. So easy, a politician could do it!:wink:

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Just to bump my own post :wink:

The first link goes to steel cored rounds - could these be somewhat AP?

The second one goes to incendiary rounds - I hadn't seen any previously and thought they were interesting.

Any thoughts on either link?

Thanks!

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Well....the steel core rounds could be "sort of" armor piercing. Compared to a lead cored bullet. Sort of. Maybe. But not really. True AP rounds have a tungsten (maybe depleted uranium for the density in larger calibers) or hardened (not mild) steel core. These are probably the standard mild steel core ammo found in lots of mil-surp ammo.

The incendiary rounds are interesting. At $3.50 a pop, I'd certainly hope so. I doubt that they're mil-surplus, and are probably custom loaded. I'm ASSuming this (dangerous, I know), since they also have the same description ("sponge titanium") used in 7.62x54R, 8x57 Mauser, and even the eeeevil city destroying tacticalicious .30 Carbine loads.

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As TA posted above - You Da Man!!

Thanks!

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Received my spam can of 440 rounds of 7.62X54R today, from Classic Arms. The can was in perfect shape, no dents, etc. It took 11 days from the day I ordered, to receive the goods. Not bad in today's environment, especially since it shipped from S.C. to CA. I will go with J&G Sales next time, since they are cheaper, and closer shipping time. The only complaint I have is that I never received an email confirmation, and when I called for a confirmation, there was no tracking number given. Other than that, nice and smoothe! Oh yeah, no can opener included with the single can.

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oh yea, they come two cans to a crate; each crate has one opener.
you can open it with a cold chisel and a hammer, just take the corner of the chisel and tap it at a 30 degree angle or so and just keep tapping it all the way around the can once you have it punctured. This also works for taking the lid off of an oil drum.
the empty opened can sure makes a nice parts pan if you decide to strip down a gun or a carburetor, or something.

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I know what you mean, those cans are bigger than I had imagined. I have an opener from some .223 I bought a few years ago. I'll probably order two cans next time, for the wooden crate, opener, and savings on shipping. I really like the idea of the sealed cans, makes alot of sense.

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Steel core ammo is not armor piercing. In many countries lead is more expensive than iron, so a mild steel core was substituted.

You're aware that when we say "AP" we're talking about hard armor and not the regular aramid fibers, right? Those vests are designed to resist handgun bullets and shotgun pellets, not rifle rounds.

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I just received my order of some 7.62x54r and others from Ammunition To Go and I'm very pleased with the rounds that arrived and the quicker-than-expected delivery. They've still got some there and I'll probably order some more.

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I placed an order for a spam can from J&G Sales on March 31st. The order was shipped today. Nine days from order to ship. Since they said they were 14 days behind on the website, That's not too bad I guess. Just goes to show you what's going on out there with the ammo deal.